This is part of a seven piece series on the EPS- Every Passport Stamp Facebook group and Counting Countries podcast. The following is the foreword to this piece:
My EPS Adventure- Behind the Scenes
Asked to Come Back
A Call to Ric Gazarian's Patrons
Threats and Controversy
My Counting Countries podcast with Ric Gazarian has gone wrong for many reasons, the most important being his claiming I was kicked out of the EPS- Every Passport Stamp group in the introduction. Ric has still not issued a public apology, he has just changed it on the written part in his website and removed the podcast. I make a Call to Ric's Patreons to stop supporting him until he corrects his slander.
Moderators and School Kids
"What about Maurizio Giuliano?? Why is he still there? What about the rules he broke? Oh, some rules are okay to be broken, or is it who breaks the rules, that some people get preferred treatment?" I retorted to Ric after he announced on the podcast I was kicked out from the group.
"If you had an issue with Maurizio Giuliano breaking the rules you should have reported him at that time. I am not aware of him being guilty of any infractions."
“Reported” him??? I was so taken aback by this response. I mean I'm aware most people see this as "normal" and do not see what's wrong with it.
What's wrong is that they are recreating/mimicking a mini-school environment. Moderators as principals, group members as school kids.
"I'm sorry but you seem to see us as school-kids and you are I suppose the principal of the school???" I wrote to Ric.
I had said a similar thing to Stefan. That I'm not a school kid he can scold or threaten with a stick. Excuse me!!!??
"I'm not a school kid who is going to come to you to report that my classmate pulled my hair! All is going on in front of your eyes. You are the moderators, you are supposed to interfere and put your weight in when a discussion gets heated."
What is a moderator for??
Oh I know, they are the police. You report to them and they either put people on time-outs until they cool, or kick people out or simply walk in and close a topic to comments. Well... Not my place to be.
I had several issues with the way Ric launched the podcast.
Apart from his accusation of being kicked out, the biggest issue I had was there was nothing in Ric's introduction about my going to every country to burn passports.
Well... That is the one and main reason why I am going to every country! To just make a point about the stupidity of borders and visas.
That is also why I accepted to be in the podcast in the first place. Otherwise, I have no need to promote myself in search of clicks to make money or to boast about my travels for ego-boost. My only goal is idea promotion.
So someone going to every country to spread his uncle's ashes is something to put on the headline but someone going to every country to burn her passports is not???!!! Is that so???
Come on... It is outrageous...
I found it disrespectful and a big insult to me that there was NO MENTION at all about my burning passports not even an allusion to my core belief of visas and passports being symbols of a global discrimination in the introduction. I took Ric's omission as disrespect and insult because it is something so important to me that I wish to devote my life to it.
I understand, Ric does not approve of my project, he is not sympathetic to my cause but he has to be objective. That is if he is to be a media.
Oh "Gülin has been fighting conformity her entire life..."
Yeah, it is true that I've been fighting conformity all my life but what has that got to do with my travelling to every country in the world??
He could have as well said "Gülin has black hair but it's going white." He would again have been totally right but what has that got to do with my world travel? It is not related. You do not put that on the headline.
Would he have liked it if I did a podcast with him and instead of saying "Ric is going to every country" in the headline I said "Ric took geography lessons at high school." Duh!
Now... To Ric's credit, he changed it after I protested.
However, the main title in the thumbnail stayed the same...
The other thing I bristled at was Ric's portrayal of me.
I was very VERY UPSET and disillusioned that I was reduced to this, leaving my husbands to travel or being outspoken about fellow travelers.
Yes, I have strong opinions and yes, I do not mince my words. Like I did not with speaking against Ric as well.
The other issue was that at some point in the interview Ric told me to answer the questions directly. That was left in the podcast when it was published and I did not like it. It was just like him scolding me in front of everyone again, as if his slander was not enough, this was added on!
Then, listening to Sascha Grabow's interview, I realized he asked the same questions to Sascha twice and he still didn't answer, and Ric didn't say anything, just let it go.
I actually laughed out loud when I was listening, but it was not funny at all. On the contrary, it hurt... It hurt a lot. To be treated differently, to be singled out once again. I cannot help but think this is personal. That I am a woman, that I come from a different background.
He scolds me after asking once; what's worse, he leaves that scolding there for everybody to hear and witness. No editing. And that is the only such uncut conversation in about 60 CC podcasts!
This is his answer and our conversation when I made a comment to Ric about the issue:
Yeah, so his asking me to answer questions directly was left in by error by his editor, so Ric washes away all responsibility from his hands. Perfect!
No apology given. No. He didn't do anything wrong (!) No need for an apology!
On 2/25/2019 at 4:51 PM, Gülin:
Ric... Could you please be more specific about why you think I'm a proponent of fake news, what's the inaccurate and false info? As you have stated yourself, your scolding me and that being left there unedited is correct. I suppose you'd also agree it is the only such unedited conversation in about 60 CC podcasts. As for Sascha's... Would you like to listen to the podcast again, with a new eye, or new ears, looking for the specific thing I pointed out? Don't you think it's best to investigate a bit further into the matter before asking someone if she's a proponent of fake news or telling her what she said is inaccurate and false information? Or perhaps you could have tried asking me where you ask Sascha the same question twice and he still doesn't answer... I'd have answered you, you know.
And don't you think it's rather ironical you come up with accusations of fake news, inaccurate and false info to me? I wish you showed the same sensitivity that you exhibit here -to a comment which almost no one reads- to your own false and inaccurate, if not slanderous comment -that you blasted out in your podcast in the introduction. Let alone a public one, I do not remember even a private apology from you for saying I was “kicked out from the group”, what's more, “for several violations.”
You bet that hurts a lot too. But don't worry, I'm used to such hurts; even bigger ones and from more important people in my life.
It's also very interesting to see you boast about free speech. You are the one who blocked the conversation in EPS, not allowing me to answer the douchebag Maurizio hurling wrong accusations and insults at me without having any idea of the details at the airport during my boarding denial. Of course Petro is the greatest censor in EPS as she dutifully and diligently deleted my perfectly legitimate posts as well. Then talk about free speech and how nice it is; very interesting indeed!
Monday, February 25, 2019 at 7:18 PM, Gülin:
Let alone an apology, you didn't even publish a correction, you simply changed it on the written part, leaving the podcast as is, which meant people who listened still heard me being kicked out of the group. And people listen, do not generally read. After all, it is a podcast!
Show me where I am wrong, where is the fake news, the inaccurate, false info of what I said, you can be sure I will correct my mistake and apologize.
Ric did not reply.
So I am not to take any offense at all this?? I have no right to react to such a thing and he does not owe me an apology?? Not even in private! He doesn't say "I'm sorry about it." No, why should he say that??? He is not even sorry... I mean that is the worst part.
Am I a proponent of fake news??
No, I am not. If he cared to listen he would see, or rather hear how he asked Sacha the same question three times and did not get an answer. But Ric did not scold Sacha like he did me. Why? I don't want to proclaim like he did but I bet because I am a woman. Women are so easy to brush off or to hit on their heads.
Ric is the one with fake news! He is the one who disseminated that I was kicked out when it was me who had left the group!
EPS is the one with fake news! They are the ones insisting on Cassie not being the first woman documented.
I mean okay, we all might make mistakes. But come on... There is something called decency. You apologize when you make a mistake. It's called decency and basic manners.
Ric, instead of answering my points, just changed his introduction, put up my answer to his mails on FB and let all my comments there.
Now... This is just such an awful awful manner!
First of all, pasting a response somewhere without the proper background gives the wrong impression. I am totally aware how I come off.
Second of all, being dismissed is one of the most hurtful things. His non-answer to my, once again, totally valid questions and points makes me the "nutcase."
Yes, it is true: I go on rants! But why?? Why do I need to go on rants? Did it ever occur to anyone??
How come no one can just come out and state what is wrong about the things I say without an ad hominem?
No, I did not take Ric's silence as agreement in my rant but just like this guy watching "crazy" in quiet. Still NO! My reaction was and is totally valid!
If anyone sees what I am doing wrong and shows me, I would be very much obliged.
Ric thinks I am being irrational. Perhaps I am. Could be. But does he give an explanation why he thinks that way? No.
I suppose he doesn't need to. Ad hominems without any reference, without an example. Just like him claiming I was kicked out without knowing anything about what had gone on in the group.
I strongly advise him and other authorities in the group not to have kids at all. They'd make horrible horrible father figures. Blames, accusations without any explanation or reason. They have made the judgement, you don't have the right to know the events to think and evaluate yourself, you just need to take their word for it. Accept what they say. Like this, of course, there is no way to counter-argue. If they give a reason you can say bla bla bla. Then they'd need to discuss and waste their time. It's simple like this.
Their attitude was exactly the same with regards to my “removal” from the group.
I am not saying I am rational according to their standards either huh, don't get me wrong. They are the Americans, they are impacted by the travel ban to DPRK. But as the rational beings they are they do not question let alone revolt against such a ban. I suppose to them, the ban is rational as well.
Well... To me, it is totally irrational. That a stupid 22 year-old died because he did something stupid and I am banned because of that, that I am held in par with such an idiot, that I am told “It is our greatest concern the safety of American citizens,” as if I am not concerned about my OWN safety and I need to rely on them to think for me. As if I am not a mature adult. When even my own mother, the person who carried me for nine months in her belly, who gave birth to me and raised me, when even she CANNOT interfere or have a say over where I can go or not, I puke at the government dictating me that I cannot go somewhere because of safety reasons.
Yes, I am not even an American and I revolt at the DPRK ban. I speak up for it, that is against it. If that makes me the irrational one, yes I am definitely not rational and I accept that “accusation” happily.
If that makes me “attached” and if this is a bad thing, I accept that too. I am attached to certain values. Freedom being one. Justice, truth, integrity, basic decency and maturity being others. Yes, I am obsessed with these.
I am obsessed with taking responsibility and saying sorry when you make a mistake, too.
Ric told me “98% of the people in the group post and comment without any issues or any reporting.”
Yeah, most people are sheeple, they pass through security controls without a problem instead of making a big fuss about it like me. If that makes me irrational, I am more than happy to accept the accusation. In fact, nobody else, apart from me, mentioned any word about this issue in the 70+ Counting Countries podcast. No, I definitely do not fall into the 98 % who has no issues with anybody or anything. In fact, I do not even fall into 99,99 % of any group. And I have no wish to be. If this is your rational world.
No... Please go on with your rational lives and leave me alone.
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